A Re:Zero Theory: Echidna didn’t cast the complex spell in the tomb entirely by herself but with an associate as well

As you might recall in Re:Zero Season 2, after Emilia passed all the trials, she was able to enter the room with Echidna’s corpse, which had a complex, interweaving spell emanating from it. On the surface, it may seem like she alone casted it, but upon thinking it over, I don’t 100% believe that’s the case if one thinks about one crucial detail in how Roswaal spent four hundred years traumatized by his defeat to Hector.

That detail is that Roswaal, Echidna’s most loyal follower, spent four hundred years imitating Hector’s speech pattern, showing that defeat by Hector’s hand caused him to see Hector as being power incarnate likely ’cause Hector caused him to lose the one most precious to him, Echidna. It’s possible Roswaal had trauma from that fight even if Echidna didn’t die as a result of it, but I’ll explain why I believe what I do.

Trauma can manifest in different ways and even different timeframes. One’s relationship to what/who caused the traumatizing incident, one’s relationship to other victims of the perpetrator, one’s stress levels at the time, one’s mental resilience, and one’s temperament all factor into how one processes difficult events in their lives. The question is whether Roswaal’s trauma manifested immediately or over time.

I know for some people, something as small as a bug bite can traumatize them. Whether one becomes traumatized has a lot to do whether the particular event(s) change their worldview. Is it likely for Roswaal to be instantly traumatized after his loss to Hector? I’ll try to answer this by showing why I don’t believe Echidna necessarily successfully repelled Hector from the Sanctuary without lasting physical injuries.

If Echidna had specifically repelled Hector from the Sanctuary, I’m not entirely convinced that Roswaal would see Hector as being power incarnate since Echidna would’ve defeated him. If Roswaal actually lost his beloved, it’d increase the chances he’d view Hector that way, but if Echidna successfully set up the Sanctuary and repelled Hector as well, there’s fewer reasons for Roswaal to worship him like that.

What I mean is that Echidna’s the world to Roswaal. If Echidna had successfully expelled Hector from the Sanctuary, would Roswaal really see Hector as being power incarnate? Smaller things have caused people to be traumatized, so it’s possible, but considering his relation to Echidna, I think Echidna dying by Hector’s hand or as a result of injuries from that fight would be more believable for the ensuing trauma.

We never saw the aftermath of Echidna and Hector’s fight, but there are three outcomes I can see having occurred in light of my proposing Echidna dying due to Hector making more sense, the first being Echidna died in her fight against Hector, the second being she was mortally wounded and cast the spell in her last moments, and the third being she received lasting injuries, dying from complications from them.

In the first scenario, there was no chance Echidna cast the spell in the tomb. For the second, it’s possible she did, but it most likely wasn’t since one’s mind deteriorates with the condition of one’s body, and I believe it’d be too laborious for a dying person to cast it. The third scenario best supports that she cast it, but if she were dying, she may also not have had the mental faculties to do it given the spell’s complexity.

Your mileage may vary, but this makes sense to me taking into account what a person on death’s door is capable of. Thus, given my theory that Echidna, Satella, and Pandora and potentially other characters from four hundred years are all in on a grand plan to steer the world to one specific future, I propose Echidna had assistance in casting the spell, and that person who assisted is a part of that group from the past.

Thus, sussing out who had the capability of casting it and the knowledge of Echidna making the Sanctuary her home may be a future clue to whether my theory about the grand plan to steer the world to one specific future with Subaru being the designated hero who does what all the previous heroes of the story refused to do, ending the cycle of the world being destroyed and reconstructed, is true.

In conclusion, I know it’s possible Roswaal was traumatized even if Echidna had survived with minimal injuries, but I wanted to explore what I described as a legitimate possibility and a genuine thought exercise. Of course future content could contradict this, but given how much of what the characters know about from the period four hundred years ago is false, I won’t yield easily unless a flashback contradicts it.

For the record, here is a list of info that is guaranteed to be false or highly likely to be false that has been spread throughout the story as of Season 3, and I will use logic to explain why the info is false:

  1. Beatrice and Echidna have said that Satella, the Witch of Envy, killed and devoured the other witches of sin, which is 100% false since if that were the case, there would be no corpse of Echidna at the Sanctuary. Echidna has likely been speading this lie deliberately to unite the world against Satella in the future, and she likely had Beatrice unknowingly cooperate with her by having her tell this to outsiders like she did with Subaru.
  2. Beatrice also said that legends say that the Witch of Envy doesn’t understand human language, which was proven false when Subaru said that he’d rather love Echidna than her, which had her flying into a rage. After rewatching Season 2 a third time, I believe the Witch of Envy and Satella are separate personalities given Subaru directly called the being that manifested in the Sanctuary the Witch of Envy, while all the dead witches aside from Echidna referred to the one who manifested in Echidna’s Dream Castle Satella, or Tella, in Typhon’s case. That would explain why she can only repeat “love you” and “love me” in the physical world if she’s a separate personality and why Satella is clear of mind and can speak normally in the Dream Castle as compared to the Witch of Envy that manifested in the Sanctuary. I’m not sure why there are two personalities though. Suffice to say, there is more than enough reason to believe that Echidna and others tried to pin the blame on Satella for everything, likely to unite the world against her at the end of the story.
  3. Ram previously indicated that folklore indicates that the great dragon that protects Lugunica lies beyond a great waterfall. Echidna said that Sekhmet, the Witch of Sloth, drove a dragon past the Great Waterfall all for a chance to rest. Why this info is almost certainly false is ’cause if said dragon really were trapped beyond the Great Waterfall, how would the Royal Family have entered a covenant with it? This fake lore is probably meant to keep people from seeking out the holy dragon.
  4. Crusch called mabeasts the creation of the Witch of Envy, but if mabeasts really were created by the Witch of Envy, of which Subaru smells like, why do mabeasts try to eat him? In Season 2, it was revealed that mabeasts were created by Daphne, the Witch of Gluttony, and that she and her mabeasts find Satella and Subaru’s scent irresistibly delicious, and there’s no way the creator would make beasts that want to eat her, which could have been sussed out in Season 1 with logic.
  5. Echidna said that Carmilla gave emotions to non-human beings, which is demonstrably false since insects likely existed long before she even existed, and we know insects can feel emotions.
  6. Hoshin was believed to have been one of the founders of Kararagi, where Anastasia and others who speak in the Kansai dialect live. In Season 3, buildings in Priestella were constructed with Japanese-style architecture with uniquely Japanese meals served with different names, and Priestella was also noted to be built by Hoshin, leading to Subaru believing that Hoshin was also Japanese, but given the Isekai Quartet movie revealed Alec Hoshin isn’t Japanese and how he indicated that problems from specific worlds should be handled by those who are natives to it, he may actually not have been one of the founders but somehow ended up being credited for the founding of Kararagi and Priestella since it’s an odd statement to make for someone who was isekaied.

A Re:Zero theory: Echidna might have a deep respect for Emilia and Satella despite seemingly hating them

The way I interpret Re:Zero scenes is to look at the entire series holistically. Echidna notably cried during Emilia’s 2nd Sanctuary trial in Episode 47, in which Emilia was shown an unthinkable present in which Petelgeuse and Fortuna had frequently gone out together with them going on a picnic with Emilia on that particular occasion. I can’t believe that Echidna had been crying at the sight of Emilia being happy although if she hates Emilia as she claims, it’d make sense since seeing Emilia happy and strong would be infuriating. I don’t know of any woman or man who can hate someone so much that he or she would cry at the sight of her being happy, and so tonight, I’ve formulated an alternative interpretation as I can’t help but believe that something is amiss.

We know based on Petelgeuse apologizing to Flugel-sama before taking in the Sloth Witch Factor meant that Petelgeuse likely promised Flugel not to do so, and that Flugel may have had more Authority in the Witch Cult than Petelgeuse, possibly being a potential founder. Echidna also had Puck enter into a contract with her in which if he entered a contract with Emilia he would lose some of his memories, the tell being when the special font from The Frozen Bond OVA was reused in Season 2 to denote Echidna’s speech, and these two incidents show that both Flugel and Echidna possessed future knowledge and did what they did so that Petelgeuse and Puck would only take in the Sloth Witch Factor and enter a contract with Emilia when there was no other choice, which shows that they were specifically trying to steer the world to a particular future, which we know was 100% true with regards to Echidna for 400 years before the start of the story up until even the end of Season 2 and possibly beyond. Pandora also specifically said that her goal in bringing Regulus to Elior Forest had already been fulfilled, leading to her returning him home with powers, which shows that she specifically brought Regulus to the forest to force Petelgeuse to take in the Sloth Witch Factor, eventually drive him insane by having him kill Fortuna, and have Emilia freeze the whole forest.

So judging by all of this, all of Echidna, Flugel, and Pandora are trying to make a specific future happen, and I’d be surprised if there was no collaboration or knowledge of what the others are doing, which is why I have proposed that they are all on the same side. If that’s the case, perhaps the reason Echidna was crying is that she robbed Emilia of being potentially happy with Petelgeuse and Fortuna. Perhaps, they didn’t have to instigate Emilia losing everything back in the past when that event in Elior Forest happened when Echidna brought Regulus and the Black Serpent with her, and in that sense, Echidna feels guilty for what actually happened, which would be the reason for her tears.

And yes, I know the big thing I have yet to do is suggest why I believe Echidna might actually like or love Satella, and I’ll get to that eventually. We know whereas other Witches of Sin simply call Satella by her name, Echidna calls her Satella, the Witchy of Envy. We know from Seasons 1 and 3 that there is knowledge about the Witches of Win that have been lost to history with Crusch believing Satella created the White Whale when it was Daphne, the Witch of Gluttony, who was revealed to have created the Three Great Mabeasts in Season 2, and that Typhon’s name didn’t become commonplace with how nobody knew the corpse of the witch in Kararagi in Season 3 belonged to Typhon except for Al. This shows perhaps a deliberate intent to conceal or make lost to history information about the dead Witches of Sin, which is an activity Echidna deliberately partakes in as seen by how she said that Satella killed the other witches and used them for sustenance, which some critical thinking debunks since if Satella had done so there would be no corpse of Echidna at the Sanctuary. Thus, I conclude that for whatever reason, Echidna is very invested in making sure that Satella is the bogeyman for all the evils of the world, and this is likely part of her grand plan to ensure that the world, including Subaru, unites to kill Satella at the end of the story.

How does any of this show that Echidna likes or loves Satella? In Episode 49, Echidna spoke in Ryuzu Shima’s voice, saying “Unbelievable. You see this, and that’s the first thing you think of?” after the first thing that comes to Emilia’s mind is getting the original Ryuzu Meyer out of the crystal and taking her to the graveyard. How this is relevant is that Echidna has acted very clinical in how she presents herself to others, so Emilia’s words must have stirred something within her. We know that Echidna can break out of the character she plays as seen by how she said she didn’t want Subaru to think that she was the only one of the witches who was evil, leading to her taking away his qualification for entering the tomb since he was using that as a crutch instead of genuinely helping Emilia. Perhaps the reason Echidna had that thought is despite sounding/being irritated she respects and even admires Emilia’s selflessness and propensity to help others. We know that Echidna hinted that she isn’t even adverse to helping Emilia with how she revealed to Subaru that after three days of trial of error she had no hope of breaking Emilia out of her shell, which shows she tried to help Emilia pass the trial even against Subaru’s wishes since he had been determined to not let Echidna keep making Emilia cry, and that isn’t something you do for someone you actually hate even though Echidna claims that to be the case.

If Satella was a previous heroine of the story much like I have proposed in my main theory, she may have been a lot like Emilia since I expect the heroines to mostly fit the same mold even if they aren’t exactly the same person, and thus, Echidna might have also respected or admired Satella. If my theory about a group of characters from 400 years creating a grand plan to steer the world to a future in which the world is saved, breaking the cycle of the world being destroyed and reconstructed, is true, Satella might have sacrificed all of her life’s potential to help enact this plan by becoming the Witch of Envy, and Echidna might have seriously respected that decision despite the cost it would bring to Satella. If Echidna knows that Emilia is headed towards her life also being sacrificed, maybe that’s the true reason for her tears.